With the big 3 have multi function tail gates, & every auto journalist freaking out. 

"The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock" (jukesjukesjukes) 02/06/2019 at 11:21 • Filed to: None

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Meanwhile at honda, & what they have been doing for well over 10 years with the "truck" 90% of Truck buyers need, but refuse to buy. 

WilliamsSW > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:26

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Chariotoflove > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 11:27

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Thank you.  This needed to be posted.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:30

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As Williams SW points out, this, along with the lift-up panel in the floor that should have a jump seat in it but doesn’t, really means that the Ridgeline is just a defective station wagon.

dogisbadob > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 11:32

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That’s awesome

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:32

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“Yeah, but it ain’t no real ‘Murrican trugh”

WilliamsSW > Chariotoflove 02/06/2019 at 11:35

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And the other big wagons from this era had dual action tailgates too.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:35

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A solid 50% of the time I load my truck, I pull the tailgate off to make it easier to lift / loan stuff into the bed. I welcome our swing-out overlords. 

WilliamsSW > dogisbadob 02/06/2019 at 11:35

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I believe it was standard on all full sized GM wagons from at least 72- 76.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 02/06/2019 at 11:46

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The dual action tailgate is arguably better than the retracting gate on the giant GM wagons. Less crap to break and also gives you a nice bench to sit on. That’s probably why GM ditched it in 1977 (I think).

camarov6rs > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:48

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More like 13-14  years, ridgeline was released for 2006 MY so I’m betting they had some for sale in 2005. What most people don’t realize about the swing open tailgate is that it’s not damped and the hinge doesn’t really have “steps” like a door. So half the time when you open it you have to full force swing it out of the way or it comes back and slams you with 45 lbs of tailgate or you have to hold it open/closed if you’re on any kind of incline.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > camarov6rs 02/06/2019 at 11:52

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“well over 10 years ago" 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:53

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That’s because vehicle purchases have more to do with wants than actual needs.

And that’s also why what Tesla makes sells so much better than crappy compliance BEVs even though Teslas cost 2-4 times more.

camarov6rs > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 11:55

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I just like specifics.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 12:05

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Too small inside.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 12:06

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Also more truck than 90% of truck buyers will ever use.

wafflesnfalafel > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 12:08

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yeah - I think the Honda marketing just has not been very effective...

marshknute > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 12:25

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The “90% of what you need” argument is exactly the problem.

People tend to buy products for 100% of their needs.

No, I can’t buy an EV because once a year I drive 500 miles to Grandma’s house in Bumblefuck, PA where there are no fast charging stations.

No, I can’t buy a watch that isn’t waterproof because I go in the hot tub once a year while on vacation.

No, I can’t buy the small-capacity iPhone because I might get into photography and need the extra memory.

nermal > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 12:36

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I like the side and rear bed steps on the GM trucks. 

feather-throttle-not-hair > marshknute 02/06/2019 at 13:13

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Ugh. I hate that, but you’re right. This is why everyone is driving SUV’s.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 13:21

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I just came

WilliamsSW > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/06/2019 at 13:43

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Well, go get you one of these 5,400 lb. beauties!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 15:17

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So much pretty. They just do make ‘em like they used to 

WilliamsSW > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 02/06/2019 at 15:23

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And, if you’re as old as me, you’ll recall that those things were used similar to how many pickup trucks are today - hauling families all over the country, with travel trailers or boats. Many of them had one last stop before the junkyard - owned by handymen or painters who hauled their tools etc around in them.

One caveat though - today’s pickups certainly get better gas mileage than these did, and I think most pickups probably weigh less, too.  The Buick and Olds had a 455 4v/Turbo 400 *standard* for most of their life and weighed around 5,400 lb.

WilliamsSW > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/06/2019 at 15:56

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No, they do not. What better way to drive across the country with the family*?

*as long as gas is cheap

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 16:02

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IDK about the mileage. My old 92 Custom Cruiser would easily crack off 25-27 mpg and my dad’s 77 Cutlass wagon pulled low 20s. Not many pickups that can do that real world.

WilliamsSW > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 02/06/2019 at 16:15

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You can’t get anywhere near that on the ‘71-76 GM wagons that had that clamshell though. They really all were north of 5,000 lb. and had 400-455 V8s with 4 barrels except for Chevy. 15-16 MPG * might* be achievable with a gentle foot.  

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > WilliamsSW 02/06/2019 at 16:40

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Must be the emissions crap?

Used to be able to get 23 mpg in mixed driving from my 66 Electra 225 with the 465 Wildcat motor.

WilliamsSW > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 02/06/2019 at 16:52

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They weigh nearly half a ton more than that Electra, for starters.  Plus a bit bigger motor that’s choked off by all the emissions crap.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 02/06/2019 at 17:00

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Honda makes a truck?!

carcrasher88 > camarov6rs 02/06/2019 at 17:31

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That must only be the case with the first gen, because we’ve never had that problem with our 2017.

someoneatacura > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 02/14/2019 at 14:58

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It’s bigger than a Taco with the same bed/door configuration.